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John (scouse) Hirons
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Quoting: Steve  Greenwood
I read all posts but pay particular attention to those relating to politics. This thread has again developed  into the free for all of party A against party B but no-one comes up with a viable, sensible solution to the trials and tribulations of  Britain!
One thing that should not be forgotten is that most of Europe is in the same(or worse) situation as Britain.  This is a World Wide recession and will take years to sort out no matter who is in power.
I could go on at length about this but there are far more intelligent people who can’t come up with the answers either.    




Alright Steve, I know the countries in debt & I know it has to be paid back but it looks like the poor are the ones paying it, the rich are being given more money by the Government & they have the nerve to say we’re all in it together.

A situation may be desperate but never serious
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Terry Carey
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Quoting: John (scouse) Hirons
[I look forward to the answers even though I know it’s unlikely that I will get any because to answer honestly would condemn the current administration & we can’t have that can we. [/I]


Have you not read my post from yesterday Scouse?  I thought that was pretty condemnatory.  There are others in the same vein as mine.

TC.


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John (scouse) Hirons
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Have you not read my post from yesterday Scouse?  I thought that was pretty condemnatory.  There are others in the same vein as mine.
TC.




Alright Terry, I did indeed me auld mate but I think you’ll agree it was only Colin Davis that condemned the Cameron cabal for what they are & not tried to restrict the criticism to him joining up with & not controlling Clegg. Others tried to divert the thread to avoid the embarrassment of having to say or watch it being said that the current administration has got it’s priorities wrong. Even the Tory back benches are beginning to attack the cabinet over the gross inequality of their policies.

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Arthur(Roly) Rowsell
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Quoting: John (scouse) Hirons



Alright Terry, I did indeed me auld mate but I think you’ll agree it was only Colin Davis that condemned the Cameron cabal for what they are & not tried to restrict the criticism to him joining up with & not controlling Clegg. Others tried to divert the thread to avoid the embarrassment of having to say or watch it being said that the current administration has got it’s priorities wrong. Even the Tory back benches are beginning to attack the cabinet over the gross inequality of their policies.  



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Colin Davies
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Alright Colin, If you think I’ve been unfair how would you have couched the questions & still stated the facts of the case?



1)Do you think it’s right that in one of the worlds richest countries that people, through no fault of their own, should have to get charitable food handouts to feed their families?

2)Do you think it’s right when people are being forced into poverty by deliberate government policy that the richest in the land should be given, by the same Government, an extra 5p in the pound?

3)Do you honestly believe that "we’re all in it together"?

No problem with Q3

Q1. if i were to ask the question at all, I may like to add, "When we are giving billions of pounds in aid to countries that have nuclear weapons programs and Billion dollar space programs, and some of the population of those countries have stated that they are happy to bring death and destruction here!" (and to other countries.)

Q2. The facts of the case have not been stated, the government are not giving the richest in the land an extra 5p in the pound.

I’m assuming that you are referring to the lowering of the Additional Rate tax paid on earnings by 5p for those earning over £150,000. That is not the Goverment giving 5p in the pound, that is the revenue taking 5p in the pound less over the 50% additional rate threshold.

As an example a person earning £200000:

At that rate of pay, the person gets NO tax free allowance; so 100% of income is taxable.

Basic Rate tax will be         £6,874 at 20%
Higher Rate tax will be     £46,252 at 40%
Top Rate tax will be          £25,000 at 50%
National Insurance             £7,337

Total  Deductions               £85,463


The reduction in Top Rate tax to 45% will mean that the top rate will reduce to £23,750 a reduction of £1,250.

So as I said before the Govenment is NOT giving the richest in the land 5p in the £ extra. it is taking 5p in the £ less on income over  £150000.

So I may have phrased the question, "Is it right, that the government is reducing the 50% Top Rate of tax to 45% for those earning over £150000."

And the answer to that question would still be, no.

But probably for a completely different reason than you would give




If nothing else that has been an interesting excercise, I don’t normally  deal with sums of that size
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