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Quoting: john daly If it had not been compulsory i am sure no young men would have gone any where near the Armed Forces ( Yes i know we all were better for it and would not have missed it, but thats another scenario) So the same today,no young man is going to volunteer to be roused at 0530 and chased , shouted at and harried on a daily basis, Would you??. Whilst i don’t doubt what Colin says that it works down in N.Z. young people are the same the world over and unless it is the Law the first time something happens not to their liking they will be off. When i was nearing call up time i had lots of friends and aquaintances all around my age and they were called up for the 3 services and i know non of them would have gone near if there had been a choice.
That’s not how it works JD!
The people attending these courses are volunteers, in that they have no legal obligation to be there at all. Contrary to the generally accepted view that they will leave at the first sign of adversity, and they can, from what I read there have been very few examples of that happening.
Perhaps, having finally been given a reason to get out of bed, they actually like it!
Alright Micheal, I can’t believe that even you believe what you have posted. You call forcing kids to work for nothing for 30 hours a week for 8 weeks ’help’ & having their dole stopped if they refuse this ’help’ (yes the DOE now admit that that is true) if for any reason they fail to complete their 8 weeks once again their dole is stopped. They also have to pay for their own transport & any food they need. How do I know? simple my grandson, who has 3 ’A’ levels is currently on one of these schemes & he spends all day stacking shelves now that should help him find work, he would be in university except we can’t afford the £9 grand plus all the extras this government want only English students to pay.
Most thinking people (including Tescos, Poundland & Burger king who have pulled out of the scheme when they found out how it was being run) didn’t agree with you, they think it’s slavery (if in doubt look up the word you’ll be surprised).
There could be merits in the scheme run in KIWI a modified form of which could well work here in place of ASBO’s & community orders.
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I am quite comfortable Scouse with young people undertaking 8 weeks work experience, under the emotive description which you outline in your post. I believe your grandson is doing the right thing, as this will give him an introduction to the working enviroment, it will also no doubt help his self confidence and give him a routine, that may ultimately secure him employment.
The main complaint from young people applying for jobs is, that because they have had no experience they cannot get a job, well this give them the opportunity to gain some experience.
Taking your point regarding the Companies, they pulled out because they did not want Rent a Mob from the extreme left, parked on their doorstep disrupting business, not because they felt in your terms it was Slavery.
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I am quite comfortable Scouse with young people undertaking 8 weeks work experience, under the emotive description which you outline in your post. I believe your grandson is doing the right thing, as this will give him an introduction to the working enviroment, it will also no doubt help his self confidence and give him a routine, that may ultimately secure him employment.
The main complaint from young people applying for jobs is, that because they have had no experience they cannot get a job, well this give them the opportunity to gain some experience.
Taking your point regarding the Companies, they pulled out because they did not want Rent a Mob from the extreme left, parked on their doorstep disrupting business, not because they felt in your terms it was Slavery.
Alright Michael, That was not an "emotive" description it was a statement of fact. Tescos have gone on record as saying that they weren’t aware of the coercion of the threats used to man the scheme, they withdrew from it & have started to pay those kids they have taken on during their time with it.
As for helping my Grandson nothing could be further from the truth. On his first day he was told there was absolutely no chance of him getting a job with them...he’s over qualified.
If the Government want to help him & thousands like him into work they should scrape this slave labour scheme, which according to their own figures (if you can believe any figure they come up with) only has a 40% success rate & re-introduce the last Governments Future Employment fund that had a 60% success rate, since the current administration scrapped the Future Jobs Fund long term youth unemployment has risen by 77%.
If they really want to help & not just play at it, their real aim being to save money & keep the working class in their place, they should rescind the £9 grand a term levy placed on students from England, Students from any EU country, Scotland & Wales can come here to our unis’ & only have to pay £3 grand but if an English student goes to a Scots uni’ it costs him/her £9 grand while the Scots & EU members get it for free.
The reason my Grandson & thousands like him are on this iniquitous dead end free labour scheme is lack of money, he should be at uni’ but we simply can’t afford to send him there.
The people attending these courses are volunteers, in that they have no legal obligation to be there at all. Contrary to the generally accepted view that they will leave at the first sign of adversity, and they can, from what I read there have been very few examples of that happening.
Perhaps, having finally been given a reason to get out of bed, they actually like it!
Burnham Military Camp is close to where I work and sometimes I see the LSVs strutting their stuff. One of the benefits of the course is that it takes those that have useless lifestyle beneficiary parents away from it all for a few weeks.
For a few this is the first time in their lives where authority figures treat them with respect and they learn that a better alternative way of life exists.
I recall seeing the UK Bad Lads Army on tv, I assume some of it is choreographed and dramatised but at the passing out parades you can see the pride beaming all over their faces, like they’ve pushed themselves further than ever before and achieved something.
