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Colin Davies
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Quoting: John (scouse) Hirons
To my mind the idea of a British Chancellor of the Exchequer taking our budget plans for approval by a European committee is a none starter. Although Camerons claim that he used our veto is not correct, a veto stops a thing from happening in this case the treaty has gone through without us. Could he have done things differently? I don’t know I wasn’t there but it would seem that we will be having a few problems because of it.

Now I know I’m going mad, I’m in total agreement with something Scouse has said.

I am going to lay down in a darkened room

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13/12/2011 18:45:03

Don Knight
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I have no doubt I shall be corrected if I am mistaken.
My limited understanding of the inner circle of the EU nations was/is that in the event of new rules regulations that fundamentally alter previous agreements, all members must agree, if one member exercised it’s veto, the proposed changes could not proceed.
At the meeting last week, the constitution was being re-drawn to allow Brussels (German) politicians to vet all national budgets, and to set fiscal targets for all the 27 countries in the EU, in an attempt to cure the ills of the EU currency.
It is my understanding that Cameron asked for safe-guards to be put in place to protect the financial institutions in the city of London, this was refused by the French and the Germans, who would like the financial centre of Europe to move from London to, where-ever on the continent.
Upon this refusal Cameron vetoed the changes to the constitution, in the interests of the United Kingdom, and quite rightly so.

The problem in Europe is the currency, and the dependancy of the poorer nations upon the richer ones, who they look to support their irresponsible national spending.
To cure this malaise it does not require treaty change, it only requires restraint on reckless spending.
So it stands to reason that the basket case countries will follow the money, GERMANY. When these sheep awake and realise that their very existence will depend on German largesse, the fire-works will start.

Given a little time the house of cards will fall.

I could have rambled on longer, but I didn’t want you to nod off.

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13/12/2011 19:19:08

Terry Carey
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Our place in Europe???

No chance of me for one nodding off Don. A well put post and accurate in that Cameron did use the veto to stop certain things happening which he did not want to happen.

If he didn’t use it then why are so many members of the EU crying foul and accusing him of wrecking the negotiations?

Why then are some of them shouting the odds about his use of the veto if he didn’t use it? What happened was a usual fudge by the other members but Cameron’s main aim was achieved.

He wasn’t asking for the moon but simply stopping the EU from wrecking the City of London’s financial status among other considerations. The problem is that in two years the EU will be able to circumvent him whether he likes it or not.

As has already been said when the full implications of dominance by Germany become more apparent and filter through the brains of the other member states they must surely take stock and not slavishly follow Deutchland’s edicts.

TC.

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13/12/2011 19:51:39

John Paterson McManus
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Franco/ German control over Europe

Watching the developments within Europe I can`t help but be surprised at the attitude of the politicians who are backing the Franco/German rescue plan for the Euro.I might be a bit paranoid but it seems to me that France and Germany are determined to take control of the Euro and Europe to esure that their countries come out of the present recession with a healthy prospect ahead and further enhance the ability of these two super states to bully other members into the line they will draw, further while watching the debale on tv today that was taking place at the Euro Parliament I watched European SHEEP slating Britain , as much as I hate the tories and all they stand for and for all they have done to our armed forces I say The Prime minister put in a Damn Good Days Work the other day

So Give the Ero Sheep some more good old Common before the all end up eating Bratwurst with French GaRLIC bREAD.

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13/12/2011 20:39:56

Michael Potter
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[QUOTE]Quoting: John (scouse) Hirons

Alright Michael, Errmm, left wing??? I think if you had bothered to look you would have seen that Merkle is the leader of the Christian Democratic Union of Germany which is a right of center party & Sarkozy is the leader of the Union for a Popular Movement which is also a right of center party, or have they had a ’road to damascus’ revelation & veered to the left? Also if you had looked most of the governments in the EU are right of center. Some left wing plot eh!!!! [/QUOTE

Think you are looking at the wrong political body Scouse, they are just the pawns in the eu power game. who are easily manipulated and coerced, or threatened by the eu bureaucrats, to fall into line, a prime example is when Ireland voted no, they were summoned to Brussels told they had to have a yes vote, sweeteners were given to the main person opposing, and bingo they got the yes vote. I think you could say "typical left wing tactics."

Now of course the big guns are turned on Britain because they dared to use their veto, it will be interesting to see what extremes they will go too, to ensure that our government also fall into line.

If you look at the make up of the European Parliament you will see there is a left leaning majority, not by many but nevertheless a majority.

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