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John (scouse) Hirons
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Quoting: Terry Carey
Scouse,

Are you suggesting that there has never been a case of lung cancer caused either by smoking or secondary or third level contamination?

Whether or not death certificates actually attribute death to smoking I don’t know - I haven’t seen many such documants but if the person has been a heavy smoker and their lungs are riddled with cancer then is it not a fair assumption that there is a connection?

TC.




Alright Don, What I’m saying is there is no positive proof that smoking causes cancer, if there was it would be made illegal years ago. As for 2nd 3rd or 150th hand smoking the is no proof what so ever for their existance they are just phoney science. Don’t forget the invisible, undetectable but deadly gas that defies the laws of physics emitted by ciggies according to the phoney science wheeled out by the dreaded white coats.

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Colin Hall
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Quoting: John (scouse) Hirons



Alright Don, What I’m saying is there is no positive proof that smoking causes cancer, if there was it would be made illegal years ago. As for 2nd 3rd or 150th hand smoking the is no proof what so ever for their existance they are just phoney science. Don’t forget the invisible, undetectable but deadly gas that defies the laws of physics emitted by ciggies according to the phoney science wheeled out by the dreaded white coats.



You’re wrong Scouse, but what you are saying is what you want to believe because you’re a heavy smoker, and as such you’re never going to be convinced by the mountains of evidence saying tobacco smoke contains carcinogenic substances which cause cancer. You’re kidding yourself mate, no one else!

Just in New Zealand, but the UK is unlikely to be different, in fact the UK are heavier smokers because other countries’ legislation is way ahead of Europe.

Smoking is a proven cause of cancer in
many different parts of the body.
• The major cancers caused by smoking
(i.e. of the lung and upper airways) are
a more common cause of death than
other major cancers in New Zealand
(e.g. bowel cancer and breast cancer).
• In New Zealand an estimated 1700 cancer
deaths per year are due to smoking
(at 23% of all cancer deaths).
• Of the 12,800 years of life lost each
year from lung cancer in New Zealand,
82% were from smoking (i.e. 10,500 years
of life lost).
• These cancer deaths are declining in
men but there is not yet a clear decline
for women.


Smoking has been identified as a cause of various
cancers in US Surgeon General reports since
1964!  The International Agency for Research
on Cancer (IARC) has also published reports
on the cancers caused by smoking. In 1986
it reported that there was sufficient evidence
that active tobacco smoking was a cause of lung
cancer, and cancers of the kidney and bladder;
upper respiratory-digestive tract including oral
cavity, throat (pharynx), voice box (larynx),
and gullet (oesophagus); and pancreas.
IARC has since reported that smoking tobacco
can also cause cancer in the stomach, liver,
cervix, different parts of the head (i.e. the nasal
cavity, paranasal sinuses, and nasopharynx), and
a blood cancer (leukaemia). This list of cancers
is very similar to those in a recent US Surgeon
General’s report. But the Surgeon General
also says that “the evidence is suggestive” that
smoking causes cancer of the bowel (colon) and
rectum. The evidence around active smoking
and the risk of breast cancer is still unclear.
In summary, it has been concluded that
tobacco is a powerful cancer-causing product
that can cause cancer in many different parts
of the body. It is not just cigarette smoking
but also pipe, and cigar smoking that can cause
tobacco-related cancers.

In New Zealand the major cancers caused by smoking (i.e. of the lung and upper airways) are a morecommon cause of death than other major cancers (e.g. bowel cancer and breast cancer).
Cancers caused by second-hand smoke.
Given the evidence for active smoking, it is not
surprising that second-hand smoke (SHS) is also
a cause of lung cancer and is also linked
to cancer in the back of the nose (nasal sinus
cancer) and there is evidence for a link with
other cancers.


You, Scouse, are dismissing all of this fact because you don’t like bad news, and fact spoils your argument.



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Don Knight
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John, why are you quoting TC then addressing me?

Surely you should reply to TC.

It"s etiquette, you know.  

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John (scouse) Hirons
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Quoting: Colin Hall


You’re wrong Scouse, but what you are saying is what you want to believe because you’re a heavy smoker, and as such you’re never going to be convinced by the mountains of evidence saying tobacco smokie contain carcinogenic substances which cause cancer. You’re kidding yourself mate, no one else!




Alright Colin, I don’t nor have I denied the presence of poisons in cirgarettes but they’re in such small amounts they present no danger.

  Chocolate contains poisons mainly theobromine & if enough is eaten it will kill you, should chocolate be banned?

  Car emissions contain so many poisons & carcinogens that if they were placed in a bomb it would be declared illegal under the Geneva Accord as a poison gas. Should the internal combustion engine be banned?

 So by driving your Grandkids around & giving them chocolates you are in fact endandering their health.

  Wine containes ethanol & if taken in sufficient amounts can cause perminant brain damage & even death. So every time you offer your good lady wife a wine are you trying to kill her or just give her brain damage?

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John (scouse) Hirons
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Quoting: Don Knight
John, why are you quoting TC then addressing me?

Surely you should reply to TC.

It"s etiquette, you know.  

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It’s called making a mistake, I look forward to your next one, I will be the there to remind you.

You talk of etiquette, yet ignore it. It is good practise to use a posters preferred name, yet you alone call me John rather than Scouse that sir is igorance please try to practise what you preach there’s a good boy.

The one thing your post shows me is you know you have lost the debate & are trying to sideline it.

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