Perhaps the original post by Brian was about a subject which should not be in the the ’Just Joshing’ drawer? Brian? I think that all nations have carried out atrocities to other nations and indeed to their own people at one time or another.
So we start down the so-and-so wrote this and so-and-so wrote that road. Then attack an author’s credibility to attack the credibility of what the author has said. ’My books are better than your’s’ kind of thing, like.
I fear this angle of approach does nothing to advance the argument one way or another. Rather it becomes a personal battle between FR rivals trying to prove how macho they are.
However, Owen is right inasmuch as the West, including the US and the UK have carried out some pretty horrendous stuff. Israel too. The same is true for Arab countries and China etc etc. No, there’s no exceptions and (back to the point) Japan is up there with every other nation.
The fact is, that humans are sometimes cruel to one another and it doesn’t matter what religion, race, creed or colour they are nor any rationale used as justification for it.
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Quoting: John (scouse) Hirons
Alright Owen, let’s look at just one of the authurs of the books you ’recomend’
Caroline Elkins - A white American. She teaches courses on modern Africa, protest in East Africa, human rights in Africa, & British colonial violence in the 20th century. She also supported the IRA & is renowned for her anti-British stance.
James Mitchell, in a highly critical review of the book, said ’I shudder for those of her students who expect academic rigour: Elkins doesn’t let facts stand in the way of a good rant.
David Elstein has also noted severe shortcomings in Elkins’ methodology and conclusions. Elstein contends that her casualty figures are derived from an idiosyncratic reading of census figures & a tendentious interpretation of the fortified village scheme.
At least the two I quoted were black Kenyans.
Like Steven said.....quote: "Then attack an author’s credibility to attack the credibility of what the author has said. ’My books are better than your’s’ kind of thing, like."
I noticed you gave two critical views from James Mitchell and David Elstein.... Now what about all those positive reviews that you didn’t mentioned ? but we won’t go into that eh, anyone can diss an author Scouse, no point in side tracking the issue is there now ? especially when I asked you the question "Western civilisation carry out atrocities, murder, torture and rape....DO YOU AGREE OR NOT ?"
Morality is doing what’s right regardless of what you’re told. Obedience is doing what you’re told regardless of what’s right....What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right.
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Quoting: Owen Hunter
Like Steven said.....quote: "Then attack an author’s credibility to attack the credibility of what the author has said. ’My books are better than your’s’ kind of thing, like."
I noticed you gave two critical views from James Mitchell and David Elstein.... Now what about all those positive reviews that you didn’t mentioned ? but we won’t go into that eh, anyone can diss an author Scouse, no point in side tracking the issue is there now ? especially when I asked you the question "Western civilisation carry out atrocities, murder, torture and rape....DO YOU AGREE OR NOT ?"
Alright Owen, No need to shout sunshine. In answer to you poorly posed question you will have to tell me what you deem as an atrocity. As you obviously don’t think that the murder rape & torture carried out in the thousands in Nanking or in Kenya in the hundreds worthy of the title, could it be that the perpetrators aren’t from the west?
As for side tracking, you brought Kenya into the mix, where abouts in the Jap home islands is Kenya? Colin dragged in Acre is that just outside Tokio? & Dresden as everyone knows is on the eastern side of Honshu.
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Quoting: Steven Collins So we start down the so-and-so wrote this and so-and-so wrote that road. Then attack an author’s credibility to attack the credibility of what the author has said. ’My books are better than your’s’ kind of thing, like.
I fear this angle of approach does nothing to advance the argument one way or another. Rather it becomes a personal battle between FR rivals trying to prove how macho they are.
Alright Steven, I beg to differ, if a book is put up as gospel but the authur is well known for shoddy research & a long standing hatred of one side you then have to ask how valid is the book. How much credence would you put on a book about WW2 atrocities carried out by the Jews written by Joseph Goebbels? No it’s nothing to do with Macho it’s all about credible evidence. Owen, as usual, diverted the debate so he could air his usual diatribe against the west, but mainly the UK giving as proof his usual untrustworthy sources.
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[QUOTE]Quoting: John (scouse) Hirons [I]
Alright Owen, No need to shout sunshine. .................................................................................. Reply...Emphasising mate, just stressing the point, just a little shout to attract your attention like. .................................................................................. In answer to you poorly posed question you will have to tell me what you deem as an atrocity. .................................................................................. Reply... No I wont, if you don’t know what an atrocity is, then look it up in one of your books....or Google, c,mon Scouse mate your letting the side down. .................................................................................. As you obviously don’t think that the murder rape & torture carried out in the thousands in Nanking or in Kenya in the hundreds worthy of the title, could it be that the perpetrators aren’t from the west? .................................................................................. Reply...Obviously you haven’t got a clue what I think .................................................................................. As for side tracking, you brought Kenya into the mix, where abouts in the Jap home islands is Kenya? Colin dragged in Acre is that just outside Tokio? & Dresden as everyone knows is on the eastern side of Honshu .................................................................................. Stop asking silly questions and buy an Atlas.
Morality is doing what’s right regardless of what you’re told. Obedience is doing what you’re told regardless of what’s right....What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right.
