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John (scouse) Hirons
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Quoting: Brian Mees


I’m not sure where the idea that aircraft cannot land on sand comes from. There were plenty of rolled sand strips in the Gulf and in Libya, and we used land on them on a regular basis in the 60’s and 70’s. According to a REME chap that we flew around testing these strips, (not concrete, not asphalt, not PSP), they were hard enough to take a VC10. Maybe not long enough, but certainly had the load factor.  




Alright Brian, My mistake, I should have said unprepared sand. Unfortunatly I don’t think that the airfield construction crew has had the time to turn all the desert into runways, so they had to use a small ready made one.

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Phil Beacall
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The Ministry of Defence has also revealed that one of the Hercules suffered minor damage, after coming under small-arms fire.

A spokesman said: "We can confirm that during the operation to recover civilians from the Libyan desert, one of our C130 aircraft appears to have suffered minor damage consistent with small arms fire.

"There were no injuries to passengers or crew and the aircraft returned safely to Malta."

A Falklands veteran, who was working on a clean water project in Libya, has thanked the Royal Navy for his safe rescue.

61-year-old Mike Wilson was among the 207 exhausted civilians delivered to Malta on Saturday by HMS Cumberland.

The former sailor, from Stamshaw in Portsmouth, made his way from Brega in the desert south of Libya to meet the British warship in Benghazi.

He said: "I can’t speak highly enough of how we were treated and cared for in getting out of Libya.

"It was a very dangerous situation which was escalating and all of us onboard were glad to be rescued."

Mr Wilson was working on the Great Man Made River project in the town of Brega.

He said: "It’s a really important programme for the people and it’s a real shame that we have had to come out.

"But we were getting reports about looting and militias and it was best to get out of there."

Mr Wilson travelled north by car past fighting factions in Libya, and spent more than 30 hours in HMS Cumberland as she crossed rough seas to Malta.

He said: "I served in HMS Broadsword which was a frigate that was in the 1982 Falklands conflict.

"The seas in the South Atlantic are renowned for being choppy and dramatic but this was just the same as back then.

"We were in a small Junior Rates mess room and there were several people who were ill. But it was fine given the situation we were leaving and we’re very happy to be safe.

"We were in a compound of buildings back in the desert and we had looters trying to get in, armed with knives.

"It was a potentially terrifying situation and it’s sad for Libya, where I’ve been for three years."

Mr Wilson said he would be happy to reach the UK and catch up with his family. He has a wife, Anne, a daughter Katy and step-daughter Mandy and grandson George. His son David is in the Royal Navy and serves on HMS Illustrious and his other son Mark is an Army Corporal, based in Germany.
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John (scouse) Hirons
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Quoting: Arthur KINGO FARRINGTON


Brian.
only those who actualy have experienced this would know.
those who sit and play games on their pc.   the armchair critics have their own ifea.
experience and being at the coal face can one get the real picture.




Alright Arthur, As I’m the main critic of the British governments tardy reaction on this crisis I have to take it you are refering to me. I can assure you that I’m far from being an "armchair critic", you are not the only one on this site that has heard the guns go bang the main difference is we don’t go on about it ad nauseum. I find your slur that I "sit and play games on their pc" offencive to say but the least.

  As for having a flea in my ear, think again, the sand has to be treated, flattened & hardened an aircraft can’t land on unprepared desert amen. As for "experience and being at the coal face" I didn’t know you had been in the RAF & a leading expert on modern aircraft capabilities.

  If you will tell me which company of the Kings you were in I will tell you were they saw action in WW2 because up to now you seem to claim to have been in all the theaters.  

  You shouldn’t shout off at the mouth until you know what you’re talking about.

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John (scouse) Hirons
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Quoting: Pamela Forbes

   And a reminder to those with little patience.......   ’ Failing to plan is planning to fail’.






Alright Pamela, Oh I see, they weren’t sitting on their hands for a week they were planning how to fail to get 2 aircraft charted & on their way to rescue our nationals. There was me thinking that they were incompetent when in reality they were planning to cockit up.

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Mike Pass
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Hhhmmm!!!


Quoting: John (scouse) Hirons



  You shouldn’t shout off at the mouth until you know what you’re talking about.




Get real, man! the second part of that statement is never going to happen, now is it??!!!!

Damnant quod non intellegunt.
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